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LMSR Gangwayed Passenger Brakes (Six-wheel)

  
   LMSR Six-wheel Passenger Brake Van 32972 when in use with BR   Ivor Bufton collection

A total of one hundred and twenty of these were built to period three design in four lots between 1932 and 1940. The final withdrawals took place in 1978. The gangways had been removed from some of late survivors.

Built: 1932Lot number: 664Diagram: 1796Total: 25

NumberWithdrawnDisposal
329001968Originally numbered 2842. Broken up at Wolverton Works either by Works staff or G. Cohen staff. Confirmation of who did the breaking would be appreciated.
329011969Originally numbered 2848. Disposed of at/from Thornton Fields Carriage Sidings p9/69
329021969Originally numbered 2849. Disposed of at/from St. Rollox Works, Glasgow p9/70.
329031967Originally numbered 2851. Disposed of at/from Ipswich C&W p3/67
329041969Originally numbered 2853. Despatched from Wolverton Works to G. Cohen, Cransley, Kettering, Northamptonshire 3/4/70.
32905xxxxOriginally numbered 2858. Despatched from Carlisle to W. H. Arnott Young, Dinsdale, Darlington, County Durham 5/6/79.
329061967Originally numbered 2859. Despatched to Bird Group, Risca, Caerphilly 12/7/68.
329071970Originally numbered 2860. Despatched from Nottingham to Steelbreaking & Dismantling, Tapton, Chesterfield, Derbyshire w/e 4/1/71.
329081970Originally numbered 2861. Despatched from Carlisle to W. H. Arnott Young, Dinsdale, Darlington, County Durham 24/7/70.
329091970Originally numbered 2862. Despatched from Wolverton Works to G. Cohen, Cransley, Kettering, Northamptonshire 15/5/70.
329101967Originally numbered 2866. Disposed of at/from Thornton Fields Carriage Sidings p9/67.
329111967Originally numbered 2867. Disposed of at/from Hatfield p11/67.
329121968Originally numbered 2869. Disposed of at/from Wolverton Works p9/68.
329131969Originally numbered 2876. Despatched from Wolverton Works to G. Cohen, Cransley, Kettering, Northamptonshire 19/5/69.
32914xxxxOriginally numbered 2878
32915xxxxOriginally numbered 2880
329161970Originally numbered 2882. Disposed of at/from Heaton p3/71
329171970Originally numbered 2883. Disposed of at/from St. Rollox Works, Galsgow p9/70.
329181967Originally numbered 2884. Despatched from Peterborough Yard to Princess Elizabeth Locomotive Society based at Dowty Railway Preservation Society, Ashchurch, Gloucestershire. Moved to Bulmers Railway Centre, Hereford, Herefordshire, then to Midland Railway Centre.
329191970Originally numbered 2886. Despatched from St. Phillips Marsh, Bristol to Dart Valley Railway, Buckfastleigh, Devon. Moved to Severn Valley Railway, arrived 2/5/72.
32920xxxxOriginally numbered 2888
329211970Originally numbered 2892. Despatched from Stonebridge Park 29/4/72.
32922xxxxOriginally numbered 2893
329231969Originally numbered 2895. Despatched from Wolverton Works to G. Cohen, Cransley, Kettering, Northamptonshire 3/4/69.
329241968Originally numbered 2897. Despatched to Bird Group, Long Marston, Worcestershire 15/10/69.

Built: 1933Lot number: 669Diagram: 1796Total: 50

NumberWithdrawnDisposal
329251970Despatched to G. Cohen, Morriston, Swansea 12/12/70.
329261972Slag Reduction Company, Ickles, Rotherham, South Yorkshire p3/73
329271969Despatched from Carlisle to J. MacWilliam, Shettleston, Glasgow 13/12/69
329281970Despatched from Blackpool to Armytage & Sons, Sheepbridge, Chesterfield, Derbyshire 10/4/70, arrived 13/4/70.
329291968Disposed of at/from Leeds p7/68
329301969Despatched to Bird Group, Long Marston, Worcestershire 22/11/69.
329311968Disposed of at/from Wolverton Works
329321968Disposed of at/from Wolverton Works
329331969Disposed of at/from Gloucester Upper Yard p9/69
329341969Disposed of at/from York p12/69
329351967Disposed of at/from Willesden Carriage Sidings p3/67
329361967Disposed of at/from Peterborough Yard p12/67
329371969Arnott Young, Dinsdale, Darlington, County Durham 10/69xxxx
329381970Despatched from Wolverton Works to G. Cohen, Cransley, Kettering, Northamptonshire 16/10/70.
329391967Disposed of at/from Derby Etches Park p5/67.
32940xxxxxxxx
32941xxxxxxxx
32942xxxxxxxx
329431969Disposed of at/from Glasgow Salkeld Street p6/69.
329441970Despatched from Wolverton Works to G. Cohen, Cransley, Kettering, Northamptonshire 23/6/70.
329451970Despatched from Carlisle to W. H. Arnott Young, Dinsdale, Darlington, County Durham 24/4/79.
329461969Disposed of at/from Thornton Fields Carriage Sidings p4/70.
329471971Disposed of at/from Heaton p10/71.
329481970Disposed of at/from Thornton Fields Carriage Sidings p8/70.
329491969Despatched from Wolverton Works to G. Cohen, Cransley, Kettering, Northamptonshire 29/4/69.
329501971Despatched from Crewe to Bird Group, Long Marston, Worcestershire 20/7/71, arrived 21/7/71.
329511967Disposed of at/from Peterborough Yard p12/67.
329521967Disposed of at/from Dtonebridge Park p9/67.
329531969Despatched from Preston to Central Wagon, Wigan 26/8/69
329541968Disposed of at/from Wolverton Works p4/69.
329551970Dispposed of at/from Heaton p8/70.
32956xxxxxxxx
329571970Despatched from Wolverton Works to G. Cohen, Cransley, Kettering, Northamptonshire, 23/6/70.
329581970Disposed of at/from Doncaster Works p5/72.
329591971Despatched to G. Cohen, Cransley, Kettering, Northamptonshire 1/11/71.
329601969Despatched to Bird Group, Long Marston, Worcestershire 22/11/69.
329611967Disposed of at/from Grantham p8/68.
329621971Disposed of at/from Bristol p8/71.
329631968Disposed of at/from Cockshute Yard, Stoke-on-Trent p3/68
329641969Disposed of at/from Derby Etches Park p10/69
329651968Disposed of at/from Lowestoft p1/69
32966xxxxxxxx
329671970Disposed of at/from Motherwell p7/70
329681969Despatched to G. Cohen. Morriston, Swansea 13/8/69.
329691970Despatched from Carlisle to W. H. Arnott Young, Dinsdale, Darlington, County Durham 22/5/70.
329701970Despatched from Tyseley to Bird Group, Long Marston, Worcestershire 15/5/70.
329711968Despatched to Bird Group, Long Marston, Worcestershire 15/10/68.
329721969Disposed of at/from Glasgow Salkeld Street p2/70
329731969Despatched from Wolverton Works to G. Cohen, Cransley, Kettering, Northamptonshire 10/12/69.
329741970Despatched to G. Cohen. Morriston, Swansea 12/12/70.

Built: 1938Lot number: 1091Diagram: 2000Total: 25

Gangways removed on 32991

  
   LMSR Six-wheel Passenger Brake Van 32978 with Gangways removed is pictured at the Great Western Railway Museum at Coleford where it was located for a number of years.   Charles Cross
NumberWithdrawnDisposal
329751978Despatched from Salisbury to Armytage & Sons, Sheepbridge, Chesterfield, Derbyshire arrived 15/5/79. Re-sold and moved to Bluebell Railway for preservation, arrived 27/6/79.
329761976/77xxxx
329771969Disposed of at/from Wolverton Works p4/70.
329781978Preserved at Dean Forest Railway 1978. Moved to Great Western Museum, Coleford c1989, then to East Lancashire Railway
329791972/73Despatched from Wolverton Works to G. Cohen, Cransley, Kettering, Northamptonshire 30/7/74, arrived 1/8/74.
329801976/77Despatched from Hexthorpe Yard, Doncaster to Armytage & Sons, Sheepbridge, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, arrived 28/3/77.
329811971Despatched from Wolverton Works to Bird Group, Long Marston, Worcestershire 10/3/72.
329821971Despatched to J. MacWilliam, Shettleston, Glasgow p9/71.
329831970Disposed of at/from Doncaster Works p12/70.
329841971Disposed of at/from Micheldever 12/10/73.
329851976/77Berry, Leicester, Leicestershire c12/76
329861970Despatched to J. MacWilliam, Shettleston, Glasgow c10/70
329871974/75xxxx
329881973Despatched from Wolverton Works to the Strathspey Railway for preservation c11/73. Moved to Keighley & Worth Valley Railway.
329891966Disposed of at/from Old Oak Common p2/67
329901978Preserved at Mid Hants Railway, arrived 24/4/79. Moved to Swanage Railway, then to Somerset & Avon Railway, Radstock 4/93, then to Gloucestershire-Warwickshire Railway, then to Vale of Berkeley Railway, Sharpness 3/16.
329911976/77Understood to have been acquired from BR by Resco, Woolwich. Located at Nene Valley Railway 1977-1978. Body scrapped and chassis used for GER 197 located at Kent & East Sussex Railway. Can anyone confirm whether it went direct from Nene Valley Railway to Kent & East Sussex Railway or whether it first went to Woolwich or elsewhere? GER197 was acquired for preservation from Wisbech in c1979 were it had been used as a holiday home. Initial restoration is reported to have taken place at Plumstead before moving to the Kent & East Sussex Railway in 1984. Were body and chassis united at Plumstead or at the Kent & East Sussex Railway?
329921970Despatched to G. Cohen, Morriston, Swansea 12/12/70.
329931976/77xxxx
329941974/75Preserved by Somerset & Dorset Railway Trust at West Somerset Railway, arrived 2/76, moved to Churnet Valley Railway 1989.
329951969Disposed of at/from St. Rollox Works, Glasgow p3/70
329961972/73xxxx
329971974/75xxxx
329981972Converted to Breakdown Train Tool Van ADB975249 based at Tinsley. Preserved at Midland Railway-Butterley. Body work removed. Chassis used for MR 1260.
329991971Despatched from Wolverton Works to Bird Group, Long Marston, Worcestershire 12/2/72.

Built: 1940Lot number: 1262Diagram: 2000Total: 20

Gangways removed on 33004, 33005, 33006, 33007 & 33017.

NumberWithdrawnDisposal
330001970Despatched from Leicester to G. Cohen, Cransley, Kettering, Northamptonshire 26/10/70
33001xxxxxxxx
330021974/75Despatched from Hexthorpe Yard, Doncaster to Great Western Society, Didcot for preservation 18/6/75. Body grounded and used as a shop before being broken up, chassis used for GWR 824.
330031973Despatched from Wolverton Works to Strathspey Railway, Aviemore p4/73
330041978Despatched to A. King & Sons, Snailwell, Cambridgeshire 7/7/78. Body grounded and used as a store.
330051976/77Despatched to T. W. Ward, Beighton, Sheffield, South Yorkshire c9/76
330061976/77Despatched from Hexthorpe Yard, Doncaster to Armytage & Sons, Sheepbridge, Chesterfield, Derbyshire arrived 18/7/77
330071976/77Preserved Steamport, Southport c11/77. Moved to Keighley & Worth Valley Railway.
330081958Disposed of at/from Ashford Works 10/58.
330091976/77Despatched from Doncaster to Armytage & Sons, Sheepbridge, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, arrived 13/1/78.
330101970Despatched from Crewe to A. Loom, Spondon, Derby, Derbyshire 7/11/70.
330111970Disposed of at/from St. Rollok Works, Glasgow p11/70.
330121972Disposed of at/from West Ealing p2/73.
330131968Disposed of at/from Inverurie Works p8/68
330141974/75Despatched from Hexthorpe Yard Doncaster to Aylesbury arriving 29/5/75. Then moved by road for preservation at Buckinghamshire Railway Centre, Quainton Road arriving 3rd July 1975.
330151972Slag Reduction Company, Ickles, Rotherham, South Yorkshire p13/72.
330161973Despatched from Wolverton Works to Colwyn Bay Goods Yard 11/7/73 for onward movement to Betws-y-Coad where preserved at Conwy Valley Railway Museum.
330171976/77T. W. Ward, Beighton, Sheffield, South Yorkshire c9/76,.
330181970Despatched to G. Cohen, Cransley, Kettering, Northamptonshire 1/11/71
330191971Disposed of at/from Doncaster Works p5/71.

Photographs and other information will be welcomed by Peter Hall

last updated: 07/12/16