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Q13.14. Allocations of Stanier Three Cylinder 2-6-4Ts in the Second World War.

Allocations of Stanier Three Cylinder 2-6-4Ts in the Second World War. Does anyone have any information on the shed allocations of LMS Stanier three cylinder 2-6-4Ts during the Second World War?

(CP:19652)

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My records show 2502 at New St. on 2nd December 1944, bearing a 21A shedplate. I remember it well, it was quite a surprise at the time. I never saw it in the West Midlands again, so its stay at Saltley must have been short. I’m sorry I can’t help with any other members of the class. (JNS:4125)

My sightings of 2500 – 2536 were:- 5.6.43 2522 Leeds, 16. 6.44 2510 Derby, 12.6.43 2505 Saltley, 16. 6.44 2518 Saltley, 25.9.43 2533 Water Orton, 16. 6.44 2516 Saltley, 15.1.44 2524 Leeds, 16. 6.44 2533 Saltley, 21.4.44 2504 Derby, 20. 9.44 2505 New Street B’ham, 21.4.44 2502 Derby, 12.12.44 2524 Bury, Lancs, 21.4.44 2530 Derby, 22. 3.45 2505 Saltley, 21.4.44 2523 Derby, 23. 3.45 2536 Saltley, 30.4.44 2513 Burton-on-Trent, 24. 3.45 2515 Derby.
Mention and Transfers recorded in the R.O. Period 7/43 2517 sent to 1A in exchange for 2377 (now 14B) 11/43 2506 16A to 21A 5/43 2507/12/23 to 14B 2514 to 15C 2519/21/5 to 14A 6/44 2514/27 to 14B R.O. 1944 Page 75 “foreigners” 21/4/44 2586 (21A) on train Leics. To Kettering. Period 9/44 2521/5 to 16C 10/44 2519 to 16C 2533 to 16C 20th Oct. 2501 Dead. Ex Works Derby, at Kettering. Period 12/44 2533 to 21A 13/44 2502/3/9-14/6/8 - 13D *Back home chaps! 2523/6-8/32/5 - 13A * 1/45 2504 - 21A 2507 - 17A 2530 - 15C 2531 - 16A 2/45 2529 - 17A 4/45 2508/21 - 13A * 6/45 2507/25/9-31 - 13A * 7/45 2504-6/15 9/22/4/36 - 13A * 9/45 2504-8/15/7/9/21 -13D * 2522 -13C * 2533 -13A * (JG:841)

These 2-6-4 three cylinder tank locos (2500 to 2536) had been designed specifically for the LT&S to provide greater power than the existing 4-4-2s. Sometime after the outbreak of war, and probably after the invasion of France by the German forces in May 1940, the need for these locos on the LT&S subsequently diminished considerably, and all but six were transferred to other parts of the Midland Division, mainly in the East Midlands, apart from three which went to the Western Division. The joker in the pack appears to have been 2533, which was shedded at Holbeck. Three more came to the area – 2522, 2524, and 2536, probably to haul St Pancras to Bradford Forster Square expresses over the Leeds/Bradford section. I do not have records for 1941, but the early ROs for 1942 state that eight 2-6-4Ts were transferred to Nottingham 16A in 3/42, three to Leicester 15C, and two to Leeds. So far as I can see, the only other 2-6-4 Stanier tanks which came to the Midland Division, probably from new, were a batch from 2545 to 2558. The lion’s share went the Western Division to replace former LNWR locos being scrapped. The Central Division received 48. I hope this information is of some value to the enquirer, but I would stress that it is based at least partly upon my schoolboy records, and Maths were not my strong subject. But I have enjoyed the search. (SH:5589)

Engine history cards give:
2500 Plaistow 25.7.36, Shoeburyness 30.11.40
2501 Plaistow 25.7.36, Normanton 12.10.40, Shoeburyness 30.11.40
2502 Plaistow 25.7.36, Leicester 16.1.43, Shoeburyness 23.12.44
2503 Plaistow 25.7.36, Shoeburyness 30.12.44
2504 Plaistow 11.7.36, Kentish Town 2.9.40, St Albans 1.2.41, Kentish Town 11.3.44, Derby 27.1.45, Plaistow 21.7.45, Shoeburyness 6.10.45
2505 Plaistow 27.6.36, Leicester 18.10.41, Saltley 9.1.43, Plaistow 14.7.45, Shoeburyness 6.10.45
2506 Plaistow 16.6.34, Nottingham 31.1.42, Saltley 16.10.43, Plaistow21.7.45, Shoeburyness 6.10.45
2507 Plaistow 16.6.34 Nottingham 31.1.42, Plaistow(loan) 18.12.43, Cricklewood (loan) 6.5.44, Kentish Town 13.5.44, Derby 27.1 .45 Plaistow 23.6.45, Shoeburyness 6.10.45
2508 Plaistow 16.6.34, 5.10.40, Shoeburyness 2.11.40, Derby 18.10.42? (illegible- could be 1941) Kirkby 29.11. same year as previous entry, Plaistow 28.4.45, Shoeburyness 6.10.45
2509 Plaistow 4.12.37,Derby 28.9.40, Shoeburyness 23.12.44.
2510 Plaistow 4.12.37, ?ham 28.9.40, Shoeburyness 30.11.40, Nottingham 31.1.42, Shoeburyness 30.12.44.
2511 Plaistow 14.7.34, Kentish Town 12.10.40, St Albans 20.9.41, Kentish Town 11.3.44, Shoeburyness 30.12.44
2512 Plaistow 14.7.34, M/ham 28.9.40, ,Kirkby 20.12.41, Cricklewood (loan) 6.5.44, Kentish Town 13.5 and 20 .5 44, Shoeburyness 30.12.44
2513 Plaistow 14.7.34, Shoeburyness 20.12.40, Derby 18.10.41, Shoeburyness, 23.12.44.
2514 Plaistow 11.8.34, Shoeburyness 20.12.40, Nottingham 10.1.42, Leicester 17.1.42 , Plaistow (loan)18.12.43, Leicester 6.5.44, Kentish Town 10.6.44, Shoeburyness 23.12.44
2515 Shoeburyness 20.12.40, Nottingham 31.1.42, Plaistow 14.7.45, Shoeburyness 6.10.45
2516 Tilbury 4.12.37, Shoeburyness 1.10.41, Saltley 17.1.42, Shoeburyness 23.12.44.
2517 Shoeburyness 15.4.39, Cricklewood 12.10.40, Willesden 7.8.43, Plaistow 22.9.45, Shoeburyness 6.10.45.
2518 Shoeburyness 15.4.39, Saltley 17.1.42, Shoeburyness 23.12.44.
2519 Shoeburyness 15.4.39, Leicester 10.1.42, Nottingham 17.1.42, Cricklewood (loan) 6.5.44, Kirkby 9.9.44, Plaistow 14.7.45
2520 Shoeburyness 15.4.39, Leicester 18.10.41, Shoeburyness 23.12.44.
2521 Shoeburyness 15.4.39, Derby 31.1.42, Cricklewood (loan) 6.5.44 and 20.5.44, Kirkby 16.9.44, Plaistow (loan) 28.4.45
2522 Shoeburyness 15.4.39, Leeds 18.10.41 , Stourton 1.11.41, Manningham 17.2.42, Plaistow 21.7.45
2523 Shoeburyness 15.4.39, Burton 5.10.40, Shoeburyness 2.11.40, Derby 31.1.42, Cricklewood(loan) 6.5.44, Kentish Town (loan) 13.5.44, Plaistow 23.12.44
2524 Shoeburyness 15.4.39, Leeds 18.10.41, Stourton 1.11.41, Manningham 20.12.41, Plaistow 14.7.45
2525 Shoeburyness 15.4.39, Derby 31.1.42, Cricklewood 6.5.44, Kirkby 16.9.44, Plaistow 7.7.45
2526 Shoeburyness 15.4.39, Plaistow 6.2.43, Shoeburyness 25.3.44, Plaistow (ER) 30.12.44
2527 Shoeburyness 15.4.39, Parley 5.10.40, Manningham 29.4.44, Derby 6.5.44, Kentish Town 10.6 44, Plaistow 30.12.44
2528 Shoeburyness 15.4.39, Cricklewood 12.10.40, Kentish Town 28.12.40, Plaistow(loan) 18.12.43, Plaistow(ER) 23.12.44
2529 Shoeburyness 15.4.39, Sheffield 28.9 40, Nottingham 31.1.42, Saltley 9.1.43, Derby 24.2.45, Plaistow 23.6.45
2530 Shoeburyness 15.4.39, Kentish Town 12.10.40, Leicester 27.1.45, Plaistow 23.6.45
2531 Shoeburyness 15.4.39, Kentish Town 28.9.40, Nottingham 27.1.45, Plaistow(ER) 23.6.45
2532 Shoeburyness 15.4.39, Plaistow 30.12.44
2533 Shoeburyness 15.4.39, Normanton 12.10.40, Leeds 19.4.41, Royston 28.3.42, Saltley 18.4.42, Manningham 9.9.44, Saltley 25.11.44, Plaistow 6.10.45
2534 Shoeburyness 15.4.39, Leicester 12.10.40, Plaistow 16.1.43
2535 Shoeburyness 15.4.39, Plaistow 30.12.44
2536 Belle Vue 12.10.40, Saltley 16.1.43, Plaistow 14.7.45. (RV:21817)

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