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Re: Doncaster Works lists

PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:15 pm
by Ian Prince
Doncaster Works 24th November 1974


Re: Doncaster Works lists

PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:54 am
by MisterC
Ian Prince wrote:Only the list from 1973 posted above. Earlier visits I didn't record the numbers unfortunately.

The 2 lists that you have given were both very helpful. Regarding the 07/10/73 list I think at least 5 of those were still green when they went into works: 5557, 5623/32/54 and 5843.

Re: Doncaster Works lists

PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:05 pm
by nsporne
Here as promised earlier are the recordings of Class 31s at Doncaster Works

Dalescroft visit on 2/9/73
5861 5643 5830 5832 5636 5692 5532 5522 5826 5847 5654 5674 5593 5853

31224 View only

147 207 191 163 005 015 125 122 197 135 210 157 161 327 302 324

Late 74 - date unknown, as some the same as above must be pretty close. Will look in mags to see if I can pinpoint a date.
210 173 111 191 202 163 302 157 161 215 108 015 125 247 197

262 283 176 171 173 195 003 178 190 254 206 408 141 239 308 D5653

I have more Works reports from the Dalesrail mag which I will enter later.

Hope this helps



ps All this lot brings back happy memories and enjoyment in looking through old spotting books and mags. I knew if I kept the stuff, contrary to what the Boss thinks, that it might come in handy one day!

Re: Doncaster Works lists

PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:58 pm
by nsporne
Apologies the date of the 17/11/74 should be the 24th which has already been reported. I read the date of the East Anglia trip by mistake, The undated visit must have been during Dec of that year when there were two visits but I am unsure which is the correct date.

Re: Doncaster Works lists

PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:39 pm
by MisterC
Thanks for these, very helpful.

Re: Doncaster Works lists

PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:20 pm
by nsporne
The remaining lists of Class 31s at Doncaster Works as printed in the Dalesrail mag are as follows. Apologies for any duplication.

25th Feb 1973
5522/7/35/7/66/70 5630/90/99 5810/20/42

3rd June 1973
5518/28/40/51/64/86 5617/66 5824/54/5/7

18th Nov 1973
5523/70/4/80/8 5643/4/58/60/80 5828/41

12th May 1974

20th July 1974
5524/81 5642 31102/45/54/72/226/44/59/64/96/307/22

22 Dec 1974

Hope this is of interest.



Re: Doncaster Works lists

PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:47 pm
by MisterC
Thanks again Nigel, these are very helpful.

And I'm intrigued that some locos, while undergoing repair, got identified by their pre-TOPS numbers some while after official renumbering.

The 1973 lists are particularly useful for green to blue relivery dates.

Re: Doncaster Works lists

PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:53 pm
by Ian Prince
I recall that the new numbers were often marked on the shopping lists/overhaul level detail, on boards adjacent to the locos, which I noted at both Doncaster and Derby Works (other works may have done the same).

As such the official date of renumbering may have been a paper exercise before the paint shop applied the vinyls? Occasionally the new number was marked on the loco too, even though it had not reached the paint shop.

So what date you consider 'renumbering' took place could have varied by a couple of months, in some cases, depending upon the level of overhaul/repair being carried out. Obviously the heavier the overhaul, the longer the period of 'floating identity'.

Some locos were renumbered by the depot and the original identity might have prevailed during the rubbing down process. Works re-numberings were always superior to those done by depots, because the loco usually had a full rub down and repaint prior to the decals being applied. Depot re-numberings sometimes were just a quick lick of blue/green paint over the old number and a new identity applied sometimes in a different bodyside location anyway. (No doubt avoided waiting for the paint to dry).

Of course many would argue that pure renumbering is out-shopping from the paint shop. Or is it?

Bear in mind that where there were serious collision damage or corrosion repairs in Works; the number panel might be missing or be new metal in undercoat in any case.